Summary
Self help, identity politics and the influence of postmodernists are on the agenda as Philip Dodd meets the YouTube star and Canadian clinical psychologist, Jordan B. Peterson.
12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan B. Peterson is out now.
Producer: Craig Templeton Smith
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that is some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right? |
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| 0:32.1 | Hello, I'm Philip Dodd and welcome to the Arts and Ideas Discussion Program from BBC Radio 3, |
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| 0:54.5 | This is the BBC. |
| 0:57.5 | He is the most influential public intellectual in the West right now. |
| 1:02.5 | He is a fascist mystic. |
| 1:04.9 | Just two verdicts on this controversial figure. |
| 1:07.7 | An interview with him on Channel 4 News found 6 million viewers, and unlike the usual |
| 1:14.2 | intellectual, he's more likely to be encountered on the internet and on social media than in print. |
| 1:21.1 | His book, Twelve Rules for Life, an antidote to Chaos published earlier this year, is only his |
| 1:27.1 | second in 20 years, even if |
| 1:29.7 | a bestseller across numerous countries. |
| 1:32.9 | My guest in Extended Conversation this evening is Jordan B. Peterson, a Canadian academic |
| 1:38.3 | and clinical psychologist who initially rose to fame when he refused to use gender-neutral |
| 1:43.9 | pronouns, |
| 1:45.0 | the consequence of the Canadian anti-discrimination law. |
| 1:49.3 | More recently, he's become centre stage in the culture wars, |
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