Hi, welcome to the Origins Podcast. I'm your host Lawrence Krause. I'm extremely excited about

this episode with Jordan Peterson. Jordan and I did an episode of his podcast some time ago,

during which he peppered me with questions and we decided

we do a second podcast where I could return the favor for the most part and in this discussion that

we had I was able to probe a lot of aspects that I've tried to understand about Jordan's writing

and his thinking some of which I found difficult to appreciate.

And we talked about his own background, as interest in becoming a psychologist,

and also studies in addiction and personality.

And then we moved to a topic that we both decided we wanted to focus on,

which was in some sense the nature of meaning, based on his book Maps of Meaning. And we wanted to focus on, which was in some sense the nature of meaning based

on his book Maps of Meaning. And I wanted to parse some of the ideas that he talks about there

a little more carefully, which we did and talked about things from existential threats to values

and what you mean by values, to the nature of narrative and life as storytelling.

It was a wide-ranging discussion, including also discussing such things as how to do research in a time era of PC

commandments that make that research difficult. I particularly enjoyed the discussion, and I think many of you who might have listened to Jordan before will find a new side of Jordan here

as we tried to explore in depth the ideas behind what he's someone he talks about and where he's coming from.

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