The Oh, Oh, And the Okay, so your mentor, I can call Lou, one of your mentors, right? He is, yes.

And so he's brought on this, I mean, it's

one of the most high profile cases ever.

Right.

And he is going into it with the idea, like you said, well, this should be pretty simple.

But he's also going into it with the idea that they want to know the truth, at some point he's hit, like with a brick wall.

Right. Do you remember having any conversations with him about his frustration and

and what he felt that he needed to do?

We had many discussions and you know I don't know if it was a brick wall immediately

but he definitely came across evidence that didn't support the Ramses did it and the more he got into it the more

evidence supported the intruder theory as he developed it and then I think after it was more than a couple of weeks. It might

have been a month or two. I think that's when he realized that there was a brick wall, that he was

being stonewalled. And when he would bring up information to the

Boulder police it would be dismissed or they would try to exclude the evidence through some

rationale. For example, when Lou pointed out in the crime scene photos taken that morning of the basement with that

window standing wide open in the suitcase standing up right below it.

And there's also what Lou thought was to be a black scuff mark on the wall.

So when he's pointing to the crime scene photos that Boulder Police crime scene

technicians had taken and he's showing the detectives that that is evidence of forced entry.

One of the first things the Boulder police said is all no no nobody could

gotten in that window.

Well Lou is frustrated because he's trying to explain, well, that's how John Benet's dad got into the home when he left his keys in the house.

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