What really happened in the final weeks of the Trump presidency?

What do we know now that we didn't know in November and December?

And what are reporters doing to try to capture history in near real time?

Those are some of the questions for this week's Reliable Sources podcast.

So let's cue the music.

I'm Brian Stelter and this weekly podcast edition of Reliable is a chance to go more in-depth

with media leaders and newsmakers.

Talking about how the news gets made and sometimes when?

Because we are, of course, in early February, early into a new administration,

President Biden making moves, President Trump receding into history.

But the final stretch of the Trump presidency, of course,

tarnished by the big lie and the riot, it was even worse than we knew in real time.

His conduct, his misconduct, the frantic behavior in the White House,

the conspiracy theories that were running a muck in the West Wing,

it was even worse than the real-time reporting documented.

But we are learning more day by day about what went wrong and how and why

from reporters like Jonathan Swan.

He's the Axios National Political Respondent, who's been gathering details

about Trump's final weeks in office, weaving it together for both an article series

for Axios.com and a podcast series.

So this is a little bit of a podcast crossover.

I want to bring Swan on and talk about the podcast called How It Happened?

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