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The Good Fight

Jonathan Sumption on the Limits of State Power

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 12 February 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Jonathan Sumption, Lord Sumption is a British judge, author and historian. He is a former Justice of the United Kingdom Supreme Court and a frequent public commentator.   In this week’s conversation, Jonathan Sumption and Yascha Mounk discuss the prospects for democracy in the English-speaking world, the value of judicial oversight, and the power of strong political conventions. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

History.

0:01.0

What does this make you think of?

0:04.0

Swords, armor, castles, cannons, trenches, tanks, tanks?

0:10.0

Or perhaps it makes you think of bravery, courage, resistance.

0:15.6

We shall fight on the beaches and in the streets.

0:19.6

Uncover a thousand years of incredible defensive stories.

0:23.4

A brand new series, Defending Europe, Mondays at 9 on National Geographic. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:47.0

My name is Jake Tere.

0:52.0

My name is Jake Kettiri. I am a policy associate for the Renew Democracy Initiative and a

0:57.4

rider for the ballpark. I recently published an article for persuasion titled

1:01.6

Opting Out of Wighteness. The article is informed by

1:04.6

my experience as an immigrant from Iran and my studying the history of non-white

1:08.4

immigration to the United States. As I write the first non-white immigrants to America were Germans.

1:14.0

The Irish, Jews, Italians, and Middle Easterners followed.

1:18.0

They all fought to be counted as white, and they all eventually were accepted as white.

1:23.0

Now, for the first time, white groups are trying to be categorized as non-white

1:28.0

because of the benefits that come with not being white.

1:31.0

In my essay, I argue that the concept of skin color is subjective and quite

1:36.1

silly and our objective should be doing away with it and rediscover the wisdom of being

1:41.2

colorblind when it comes to race. I hope that you read and enjoy

1:44.6

my essay.

1:46.6

Shay Kateri's piece called Opting Out of Whiteness was published by Persuasion. To learn more about the community we're building at persuasion

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