A lot of the ways that people talk about making a difference are not making a difference.

They just feel good. And I think in the future, our children and our grandchildren, our great-grandchildren,

aren't going to look back and say, what did great-grandpa Ben feel?

They're going to look back and say, what did great-grandpa Ben do?

Hey, hey, and welcome. This is The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special. We're joined today by Jonathan Safran Fuller. He's the author of, among other books. Everything is illuminated, extremely loud

and incredibly close. And most recently, here I am. And he's here to talk about his brand new book,

which is actually about climate change. We are the weather. It's available on September 17th. You can pre-order it now. Jonathan, thanks so much for stopping by. I really appreciate it. Very happy to be here. One of the things that's interesting about having you on is obviously my catchphrase is the whole facts don't care about your feelings, schick, but so much of your writing is deeply felt. How do you balance those elements when you're talking

about public policy issues like how to deal with the possibility of future climate change? We'll get to that in just one second. But first, these days, a lot of workplaces offer employees some pretty nice perks. We have pretty great perks here at the Daily Wire. Sometimes we bring in free food. Sometimes we even let people go home at night. I mean, we have great perks around here. One of those perks at some companies is life insurance, but you don't

want to rely on workplace insurance. This is where policy genius comes in. Policy genius. It's

the easy way to shop for life insurance online. In minutes, you can compare quotes from top

insurers and find the right amount of coverage at the best possible price. The policy

genius team can look at your workplace life insurance policy and then help you decide what else you might need and what you actually don't. PolicyGenius doesn't just do life insurance either. They can also help you find the right home insurance, auto insurance, disability insurance. So remember, workplace life insurance policies are like workplace snacks. They are better than nothing, but they are not quite enough. Head on over to policy genius.com right now, today, find out how to supplement your workplace

life insurance and better protect your family. Policy Genius. It's like a buffet made of life insurance.

What could be more delicious than that? What could be more incredible? Go be an adult. Get life insurance.

PolicyGenius.com makes it easy. Okay, so how do you

separate out what the thrust of what you're trying to say is from the feelings? How much of it

is reasoned argument and how much of it is just the drive toward a moral feeling that you're going

for? Well, to begin with a little humility, I can't, I don't know for sure because feelings are distorting.

And oftentimes we don't realize the extent to which our feelings are distorting our thoughts.

And we might think that we're being clearheaded, but we think that with the head that is clouded, right?

That slogan, though, could also have been the slogan of this book.

The central premise of

...