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Jonathan Reynolds is a Labour MP and is this shadow sector of state for business.

Today he reveals some of the home truths about being a politician.

I think steam at which politicians are held in us is declined.

I mean, it's been realistic. If you're a politician you've got to accept people probably don't like you.

Earlier this year we were joined by former Tory business secretary of state, Grant Chaps.

So I was keen to invite Jonathan Arman as well.

I first got to know Johnny a bit when we attended various events together between 2016 and 2019 in my capacity as a number ten advisor and in his capacity as the shadow minister for the city of London.

He was well regarded in the city.

The city I am editor Christian May describing him as popular in the square mile and at home in the brief.

And we shared a bit of commonality about our backstory too.

I was born in 1980 in the coal mining side of England, Buster County, Durham,

traditional labour story and all the family were miners and the brand led was the winding engineman who controlled the lift shaft.

All of that stuff.

But I do think the job of government of the state is to help people manage change.

And now joined by Johnny Reynolds for a discussion on politics, change and the north of England.

Johnny, welcome to Jimmy's jobs in the future.

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