Jonathan Rauch: The Rise of the Woke Right

To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Charlie Sykes

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.9 • 719 Ratings

🗓️ 11 September 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Charlie Sykes is joined by Jonathan Rauch of the Brookings Institution and The Atlantic for a conversation recorded just as news of the shooting of Charlie Kirk broke. The conversation touches on the rise of political violence, the collapse of civic norms, and the spread of postmodern thinking on the right. Rauch explains how truth is being replaced by narrative, why patrimonialism defines Donald Trump’s style of governance, and how religion’s bargain with politics has left democracy weaker. They also look ahead at whether Democrats can seize a prosperity message to counter Republican overreach.

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1:42.9	I'm Charlie Sykes. Welcome to the To the Contrary podcast.
1:47.3	Before we get started, just a few minutes ago, before we began taping this, we got word of the shooting of Charlie Kirk at an event in Utah, horrifying videos of it, horrifying event.
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