Jonathan Rauch on the Constitution of Knowledge
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🗓️ 14 June 2021
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Summary
Public discourse is in bad shape these days. We all yell at and cancel each other on social media and college campuses, and politicians—especially those on the Trumpist right—lie so much that the very notion of truth threatens to lose any meaning. But, Jonathan Rauch is optimistic that this can change for the better. Jonathan is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of, most recently, "The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth." Alan Rozenshtein spoke with Jonathan about his book, his diagnosis of our present condition and his hopes for the future.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.0 | But one of them is what researchers call the fire hose of falsehood, and that's where |
| 0:38.2 | you put out so many lies and half trees and conspiracy theories. |
| 0:42.5 | So fast, through so many channels, that people become confused, disoriented, cynical fact checkers |
| 0:49.4 | the media can't begin to keep up with, just trying to refute them, gives them more currency |
| 0:54.4 | and meanwhile you've got 10 others out there. |
| 0:57.2 | The goal of this isn't necessarily to persuade people of something that's false, though you |
| 1:01.9 | like it when that happens. |
| 1:03.3 | It's to persuade them that nothing is true, that there's no one they can trust anymore. |
| 1:08.5 | They become cynical about the media and about what's true and what's false. |
| 1:13.2 | They become in fact unable even to tell what's true in false if this goes on long enough. |
| 1:19.0 | So no one ever imagined adapting and using techniques, Russian style disinformation techniques |
| 1:27.7 | like the fire hose of falsehood and there are others like conspiracy boots strapping and |
| 1:32.7 | trolling and so forth. |
| 1:34.6 | No one imagined applying those at mass scale to American politics, much less as a candidate |
| 1:41.4 | for the presidency or as president of the United States. |
| 1:46.2 | I'm Alan Rosenstein and this is the Law Fair Podcast, June 14, 2021. |
| 1:53.0 | Public discourse is in bad shape these days. |
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