Jonathan Pageau: Why Metaphor Is More Real Than the Literal

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6 • 606 Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2021

⏱️ 137 minutes

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I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Jonathan Pageau explores the symbolism behind traditional Christian iconography and its relationship to modern and contemporary art. He critiques modern artistic movements, connects art to cultural narratives, and examines how these themes intersect with theology and society.0:00 Introduction2:10 The artistry of symbolism3:32 History of an artist / transition to contemporary art6:36 Traditional view of art as a tool8:46 Finding personal style in contemporary era12:14 Is it art? Purpose and meaning15:11 Modern art as destabilization19:11 Contemporary art as parody of modernism21:33 Propaganda of Social Realism23:37 Social Realism in media25:36 Destruction of symbols reshaping culture26:49 Modern propaganda and upside-down fairy‑tale30:30 Miyazaki and feminine symbolism33:46 Lord of the Rings: technological power dynamic39:51 Taking in things to make us whole44:23 Weight of the Ring47:23 Little Mermaid: transition of worlds53:31 Living in the moment: nihilism54:51 Cain and Abel: sin of pride1:00:23 Social revolution and content revolution1:03:37 Society of excess1:07:46 Becoming an anchor: truth, justice, civility1:10:17 Fixing problems from the ground up, ecological issue1:12:38 Christian story as a way out1:15:29 Finding meaning in religion for art1:20:01 Iconography and life’s patterns1:23:34 Symbolism and life’s meanings1:25:48 Islam and religious expansion1:29:15 Lenses we see the world through, Identification Theory1:35:01 Pattern of being and reality1:37:31 Desires pulling away from center, right‑hand and left‑hand sins1:41:20 Knowing one’s center1:42:21 Seeing films through a lens, Shazam thought experiment1:46:57 Overreading art, Hollywood narrative patterns1:51:05 Personal bias in film, pattern vs counter‑pattern1:52:51 Introverted vs extroverted art1:57:08 Narrative morality, scales of good and bad1:59:25 Framing of Christ2:01:55 Film framing and narrative tropes2:04:52 Hollywood problem, entertainment culture issue2:06:35 When the left goes too far? Exceptions in the worldRESOURCES:- YouTube link: https://youtu.be/6umrrokgeG4- Jonathan's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/pageaujonathan- Better Left Unsaid (the documentary): http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com- Patreon for conversations on Theories of Everything, Consciousness, Free Will, and God: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- PayPal: https://bit.ly/2EOR0M4- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Google Podcasts: https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Id3k7k7mfzahfx2fjqmw3vufb44- Discord Invite Code (as of Mar 04 2021): dmGgQ2dRzS- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:03.2	This is an interview with Jonathan Pajot, who invited me into his home, though I released
1:08.8	it about two years ago, was conducted two years ago, but I'm embarrassed about
1:12.5	it and ashamed even because I was younger and nervously interrupting an attempt to try and impress
1:18.6	Jonathan, which is a quality or a characteristic that was there when I interviewed Janice
1:24.1	Fiamengo as well in the Janus Fumango interview, which is also on this channel. It's not surprising because it was recorded a day afterward. However, many of you enjoyed it. At the time, it had a 98.5% like ratio, and I'm reposting it because of that. I have a larger audience now, and perhaps many more people now will benefit from Jonathan's words. Jonathan Pajot is wonderful
1:44.4	in the interview. There are what are called math prodigies, child prodigies in math. What they are
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