Jonathan Pageau: The Bible’s Hidden Symbolism You Were NEVER Taught | Align Podcast #569
Align Podcast
Aaron Alexander
4.8 • 900 Ratings
🗓️ 17 November 2025
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
Jonathan Pageau returns to explore the symbolic meaning behind Christianity, evil, gender confusion, and why civilizations collapse at the height of abundance.
In the conversation, Aaron respectfully challenges aspects of Christian doctrine, asking hard questions about hell, salvation, and religious exclusivity.
OUR GUEST
Jonathan Pageau is a professional artist, writer, and public speaker based in Quebec, Canada. He specializes in carving Orthodox Christian icons and designing traditional sacred images and products. Through his YouTube channel and podcast, The Symbolic World, he explores how symbolic patterns inform our experiences of the world and can re-enchant contemporary life.
Jonathan is the founder of Symbolic World Press, a publishing house dedicated to the renewal of culture through storytelling and rediscovering symbolic thinking. The Press publishes works such as the Tales for Now & Ever fairy tale series—which includes The Tale of Snow White and the Widow Queen, Jack and the Fallen Giants, and the most recent publication now available for pre-order, Rapunzel and the Evil Witch—as well as the GodsDog graphic novel series and other books. The Press also hosts online courses led by Jonathan and other influential thinkers such as Dr. Martin Shaw, Fr. Dcn. Seraphim Rohlin, and Prof. John Vervaeke, covering topics from storytelling and literature to cognitive science and philosophy.
In addition, the Symbolic World website features a community forum and a contributor-driven blog that deepen engagement with symbolic thinking. Jonathan has written extensively on artistic and religious symbolism, including hundreds of articles for the Orthodox Arts Journal.\
JONATHAN PAGEAU
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:07 Who or What Is God?
03:30 Is Christianity Making a Comeback?
05:12 How to Read the Bible Symbolically
08:00 What Is Hell?
16:16 Do You Have to Accept Jesus to Go to Heaven?
24:32 What Does It Mean That God Is Jealous?
27:05 What Are the Modern Idols?
30:18 Why Does Evil Exist?
40:24 Why Do Civilizations Collapse at Peak Abundance?
45:32 What’s the Symbolic Meaning of Gender Confusion?
50:44 The Power of Fiction
01:00:12 Can You Ever Stop Being a Sinner?
ABOUT
Aaron Alexander is a pioneering manual therapist and movement coach with over 5 years experience. He is the founder and creator of The Align Method, author of The Align Method book, and host of The Align Podcast which has ranked #1 in Nutrition on Apple Podcasts.
Aaron has worked with some of the world’s greatest professional athletes, performers, and celebrities to help relieve pain, improve strength, better flexibility, and ease the mind and body.
On this channel, Aaron interviews renowned experts in a range of fields focused on improving the mind and body. This mind and body podcast will teach you all that you need to know to become the healthiest version of yourself by integrating simplified ancient techniques and the foundational principles of The Align Method to strengthen your body, balance the mind, and activate healing systems in daily life.
The mission? To be the best personal growth podcast about healthy habits, redefine functional movement, and make fitness who you are; not what you do.
TOPICS1. Symbolism and Religion2. Meaning of Hell3. Christianity and Modern Culture4. Collapse of Civilizations5. Evil as Misalignment6. Gender Identity and Culture7. Fairy Tales and Storytelling
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Jonathan Peugeot, thank you for being here. |
| 0:02.5 | That was great to be back. |
| 0:03.5 | It's great to be back. |
| 0:04.9 | Jonathan, from your perception, who or what is God? |
| 0:11.0 | God is the infinite source of all things, has all the qualities and no qualities, right? |
| 0:16.9 | And so it is a paradox, but in some ways that's the only way to describe the origin of something. |
| 0:22.7 | In some ways, it's beyond whatever you're describing. So God is beyond all things, but then God is also all in all. |
| 0:30.3 | And so that's probably the best way of understanding God in a classical theist sense. |
| 0:36.1 | What is, I'm sure you're seeing at the beginning of beginning of the movie zeitgeist that I talk about, have you ever seen that one before? Zykeyes? No, no, no, I've seen it. I've heard about it, but I haven't seen it. All right. So one of the things that talk about is the recurrent mythological themes across many religions. There's the virgin birth. There's the birth around December 25th. |
| 0:54.4 | There's death and resurrection. |
| 0:55.7 | There's 12 disciples or companions. |
| 0:57.7 | There's baptism, water initiation, performing miracles, |
| 1:01.7 | being called the light, the shepherd, the savior, all the things. |
| 1:06.4 | Which religion is the best of all of our options? Or is it all the same thing? Like, what do we do |
| 1:13.2 | in here? No, it's not all the same things. I mean, I think I remember that speech. I haven't seen |
| 1:17.4 | the movie, but I know about the speech. A lot of that stuff, by the way, has been debunked in the |
| 1:22.4 | sense that there's a, the best way of understanding that speech, it's actually a best way of |
| 1:27.1 | understanding that speech might tell you what the best religion is, that speech, it's actually a best way of understanding that speech |
| 1:27.9 | might tell you what the best religion is, is in the sense that the speech is interpreted through |
| 1:33.6 | Christianity. In some ways, the speech is meant to debunk Christianity because it's there to say, |
| 1:38.1 | well, these things Christianity says it exists in every single religion. But the reason why |
| 1:43.7 | it's doing it is because Christianity has |
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