Hello and welcome to the scriptures are real. This is the podcast where we talk about elements that have made the scriptures become real to us because we believe the more real they are, the more power we can draw from them and we need all the help we can get. I'm your host, Kerry Mealstein, and I'm very excited about the guest I have with me today.

We have Jonathan Nabrotsky, who I don't really know, but you know that I'm passionate about the scriptures becoming real. And as I was looking at a website, the Jerusalem Centers, the

BYU Jerusalem Center has an alumni group, and they have a website. And they had some videos

that different people posted.

And there was a video that Jonathan posted there about a time the scriptures became real.

And I thought, oh, this is just the kind of thing we want to talk about.

So today is, well, first of all, let me introduce Jonathan, who, he's just told me.

I learned this just a second ago, but it's been in the banking world now as

in a consultancy firm, but I really don't know, or starting his own consulting firm. I don't know

much else than that. So I'll let Jonathan introduce himself a little bit. Welcome, Jonathan.

Thanks, Carrie. So wonderful to be with you and excited. Anytime I get a chance to talk about

Israel and the Jerusalem Center, I love it.

So my background, actually, I was planning to be a BYU professor and studied at BYU,

went to the Jerusalem Center, went back to the Hebrew University and studied there with my wife.

We were just married a couple

years. We had a young little infant daughter, our oldest, and came back and ended up not, I was

going to become the next Victor Lovlo. That was the plan. He was my actual professor. And then

ended up going into sales and got into banking and I just loved it.

And so I went that route.

Spent my career all over the world.

I worked for HSBC, one of the largest international banks.

And I was an international manager for them, lived in India, lived in the Middle East, went back to Israel three more times,

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