This is Mesters in Business with Barry Reynolds on Bloomberg Radio.

This week on the podcast, I have an extra special guest.

Jonathan Miller returning champion returns for his fourth appearance to talk about housing

and all the craziness that is going on.

We discuss is housing in a bubble?

Are we looking at the death of cities?

This can happen with urban real estate from both a residential and a commercial perspective,

just everything involving real estate.

And we talk about something that you may not be aware of.

But as someone who runs one of the larger real estate appraisal and data analytics firms,

he's been very influential in this space, discussing systemic racism that's built into the real

estate market, both from a realtor and an appraisal basis how a lot of the industry groups are

in his terms.

Like me, he said, they're white, they're male, they're older, they have not been appealing

to a more diverse crowd.

And a lot of people in those industries are aging out.

And so the why the appraisal groups and why the realtor groups have been so far behind

the curve that they're starting to be subject to a whole lot of external pressure to become

more diverse, to bring in more women, more people of color onto the groups that oversee

the industry.

And Jonathan's been very influential in that space.

He has applied a lot of pressure both to the appraisal group and the real estate group.

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