Hey guys, quick scheduling note on what's been up with the podcast. So you got two podcasts yesterday. So in case you're one of those who wakes up in the morning, it does this on the morning commute, just goes to the most recent show. I take to Amanda Carpenter yesterday morning and then Olivia Nutsi yesterday afternoon. So don't miss out on all caps Amanda yesterday. That podcast was excellent. The Nutsi podcast, we had some mixed views on the Olivia Nutsi podcast.

You'll be surprised to hear that.

And I'm going to have some more extended thoughts on that over on the next level.

But reason why we did that bonus podcast style, understand folks' views on it.

But, you know, when you have somebody that can personally testify to the

horrific way in which the current Secretary of Health and Human Services handles a crisis

and how he's hiding his drug use from his wife and a bunch of other stuff, I think that's some

relevant information for us in this moment. So I'll have more on that

over on the next level, as I mentioned. So please go check that out. Me, Sarah, and JVL are taping that every week. It's where we get to let our hair down a little bit more. On this show, it's a little tight, because I'm flying to D.C. and I'm going to be doing the next level in person in D.C. And so I had a short window this morning, and we had a little guest shuffle.

And so I appreciate a short window this morning and we had a little guest shuffle. And so I appreciated Jonathan Lamere jumping on with me

in between his morning Joe segments. That dude works. All right. Well, you were in bed. Jonathan

Lamere was on TV, leaving TV, doing this podcast, going back to TV. He's not a coal miner or anything, but you got to respect the grind.

And so we had a little bit of abbreviated pod with Lemire

and that I gave you some extended remarks at the end of the show

on the Tennessee Special Election results last night.

So there is no limit of content.

Carpenter yesterday, Nututsi yesterday. Today we got

Jonathan Lemire. We got the next level coming out later. Stick around for all of that.

Appreciate you guys. Up next, Jonathan Lemire.

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. I'd like to welcome to the show, a staff writer at the Atlantic, co-host of Morning Joe on MS Now. He's covered the White House since 2016 for a bunch of outlets, Politico AP. It's Jonathan Lemire. What's up, man? Hey, man, good to see you. Good to see you, too. You had a great piece for Atlantic this week on to grab you on called the bubble-wrapped president regarding Trump. And I think it's interesting because it's kind of like sort of a traditional type of piece that you could have written about Joe Biden or George Bush or, like Trump is different in a lot of ways and unique in a lot of ways like this has been a an issue kind of as oldest time with presidents like how do you

you know when you're inside this White House like maintain touch with what's happening in the

country Trump avoided that a little bit through his like rallies in other ways throughout his

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