Jonathan Leaf on What New Research about Men and Apes Says about Human Nature
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🗓️ 7 November 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Every schoolboy has been told that to understand human nature we must look to our closest genetic relatives, the chimpanzees. |
| 0:16.3 | Jane Goodall's pioneering research revealed that chimps use tools hunt cooperatively and engage in |
| 0:22.9 | violent activity that looks like warfare. And from these observations, she and generations |
| 0:29.0 | of scientists who followed in her wake have concluded that humans are essentially advanced |
| 0:34.1 | primates, and that our behaviors, from violence to sexuality, flow from this |
| 0:38.9 | genetic inheritance. But what if this foundational assumption is wrong? Welcome to the Tikva podcast. I'm |
| 0:46.0 | your host, Jonathan Silver. The Primate Myth, Why the latest science leads us to a new theory of |
| 0:52.6 | human nature, is a new book by the playwright and critic |
| 0:56.0 | Jonathan Leif. Jonathan has absorbed vast quantities of scientific literature, and he argues |
| 1:02.0 | that recent genetic and neuroscientific discoveries are overturning decades of conventional wisdom. |
| 1:08.0 | A landmark study published in April 2025 revealed that humans |
| 1:13.2 | share only 86.5% of our genes with chimps, not the 98.6% we've long believed. More importantly, |
| 1:23.6 | the differences are concentrated precisely where they matter most, in the structures |
| 1:29.2 | of our brains that govern cooperation, empathy, and language. |
| 1:34.4 | Leaf's thesis is both scientific and moral. |
| 1:37.9 | If humans are not primarily aggressive primates, but rather cooperative pack animals, closer |
| 1:43.8 | in crucial ways to dolphins and wolves |
| 1:47.0 | than to chimps. |
| 1:48.0 | Then it's high time to reconsider the natural impulses that lie at the roots of war, |
| 1:54.0 | of family, and of human flourishing. |
| 1:56.0 | If you enjoy this conversation, you can discover more big ideas and in-depth analysis of Judaism, |
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