Not that long ago in the Oval Office, about a month ago.

He told me you think you're a wonderful person.

You're not a wonderful person.

You're a terrible reporter.

You know it and I know it.

But even then, even then, right after he said that,

as the cameras are told to leave the Oval Office because the event is over,

he motioned to me. I went over to the Resolute deskk, and he said, oh, no, we're okay, we're okay, we're okay. And he, I said to him, I said, that was pretty tough. I mean, with the live cameras going, you're like insult. And he said, no, no, you were tough on me. You were tough on me. And he starts laughing.

ABC News, Chief Washington correspondent, Jonathan Carl, is the author of a new bestselling book called Retribution.

Donald Trump and the campaign that changed in America.

John joins us here at The Daily Signal to talk about the book and his access to President Trump and Hunter Biden and all of the players who made this such a remarkable campaign over the course of 2024.

First of all, John, congratulations on hitting the bestseller book.

I'm listening to the audio version of it.

And for all of our daily signal audience who wants some extra special features, I encourage them to buy a copy of the audio book

because you actually have some clips of President Trump and Hunter Biden included. So thank you for being here.

Yeah, thank you very much. And yeah, the audiobook is like a whole separate project. It's really

like a whole different thing because you actually, you hear some of my interviews. I actually

play the audio.

It's, you know, get banning in there as well.

And, you know, certainly a lot of Hunter Biden and, and, and President Trump.

But, but also, you know, instead of like if I'm quoting from a speech or from an interview or something, I don't just read it.

I play the actual event.

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