This new book, ABC News Chief Washington correspondent, Jonathan Carl, offers a behind-the-scenes look

at key moments at the White House and on the 2024 campaign trail that ended one party's

hold on the White House and brought another back to power. The book is Retribution, Donald

Trump, and the Campaign that changed America. And John Carl joins us now. It's great to have you

here. Great. Thank you for

having me. So you open this book by recounting a phone call with President Trump right after the election.

And you say the president wanted to hear you acknowledge his election victory and you compare this

interaction to a scene from Breaking Bad. Tell us about that and what it suggested to you

about how he was approaching the second term.

Look, this was such an incredible election,

so many twists and turns.

And you know what it's like on election night.

You are up all night,

and then you have to be on the morning shows

if you're in television doing this.

So I had been up all night,

and I just figured I would call Trump to congratulate him,

which is strange, by the way. I would you call Trump? I had been talking to him throughout the campaign, like every, in some weeks, every couple of days. And you'd known him for some 30-plus years. I've known him for a long time. And, you know, so I didn't think he was going to answer, by the way. I mean, he's the president-elect now.

But he answered.

And I said, President-elect Trump, I'm just calling to say, congratulations.

And he paused. by the way. I mean, he's the president-elect now. But he answered, and I said, President-elect

Trump, I'm just calling to say congratulations. And he paused. He said, on what? On what, Jonathan?

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