Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Jonathan Height.

Jonathan is an American social psychologist and professor. He's author of the righteous mind

while good people are divided by politics and the coddling of the American mind. He's main areas

of study, of psychology, of morality and moral emotions. I like the bit where he actually said he

studied all those ancient texts and came up with where they pertained to psychology. That's

not easy, is it Jen? No. Have you ever done that? Maybe. No, you haven't.

When have you ever studied any texts? I'm trying to, well because of that degree you claim to have.

Degrees? It's not as good as a degree I would have had if I'd have done it a degree.

Remember, where I've done that in my year? Imagine a degree. That's right, my imaginary

the magic of the MA. What have you got again? I've got a BA in an MA. BAMMA. And what

and what are they in? Communications with video production and cultural and creative industries.

Do you use it at work? I guess so. When? I've never seen you doing it. Social media will be an

element because I did my dissertation on the relationship between fans and celebrities in

the online spaces. What did you learn? That you need to nurture the power of social relationships

so they feel more close to you, but actually, you know, nothing about them.

What about that bit when Jonathan Heitz said, look, there was that axes. The horizontal axes

is closeness, you know, like you, your family and your friends are close to you and then just some

stranger they're further from you on that axis. And then there's the hierarchical axis. People

will be more or less important than you. Pretty good in it. Yeah, that's what's

that everybody is. So they feel like closeness. That's why Princess, everyone more in them,

Princess Diana died, but didn't know she didn't know. Of course, she was that queen of hearts. Exactly,

but she didn't know who you were. She understood us. She don't understand you all right. She

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