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Hey everybody, just a heads up. This episode contains a little bit of cursing.

What makes you irrationally defensive?

Oh my God, so many things.

So many things.

When I'm learning something for the first time and it's a new thing, I get irrationally defensive when

criticized. I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the game where cards control the

conversation. Each week, my guest answers questions about their life, questions pulled from

a deck of cards. They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one question back on me.

Our guest this week is Broadway superstar Jonathan Groff.

At that time in 2006, whether it was spoken or unspoken, coming out was limiting your career as an actor.

And so that idea of fame or success or whatever,

I said goodbye to that when I came out.

When I was growing up, my parents talked a lot about purpose.

They wanted my siblings and me to find careers that were satisfying, yes.

But really, they wanted us to find our purpose,

the thing we were put in the world to do.

And that's the idea that came into my head

when I was thinking about how to introduce Jonathan Groff.

Because Jonathan is a mega-talent

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