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Just a heads up, this episode does have some strong language. Do you think people can really change?

Oh, yes. I mean, I have to believe that. I mean, even if I don't believe it, I have to believe that. And I think, like, that's the struggle. It's like the paradox. I mean, like, we are who we are. But I think as long as we're alive, we're able to change.

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation.

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life.

Questions pulled from a deck of cards.

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me.

My guest this week is Jonathan Goldstein.

I was writing and no one was buying what I was selling. I just couldn't get anywhere.

And I just kept doing it because I felt compelled to do it like a spider spinning a web.

Jonathan Goldstein believes enclosure, which is what is massively popular podcast heavyweight is all about,

helping people move on from some kind of

unfinished business in their lives. Maybe that's helping someone make amends or to say thank you to a

stranger or to help a person turn a page on a traumatic experience. And yes, the word heavy is in the

title, but it doesn't feel that way, in large part, because

Jonathan is very funny.

And he's also got this lightness about him.

He's the kind of guide who makes it clear no matter what happens around the next bend.

He'll be there rooting you on.

I am so very happy to welcome Jonathan Goldstein to Wildcard.

Hi. Hi.

Hi.

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