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This is Death, Sex, and Money. The show from WNYC about the things we think

about a lot, and need to talk about more. I man a sale and with me this week is

Jonathan Goldstein who you may know. I hope you know from the show Heavyweight. It's

one of my very, very favorite things that has made Jonathan. I just want to tell

you welcome. Thank you. Jonathan Goldstein has long been one of my heroes in

audio from this American life, wiretap, and since 2016 with Heavyweight. If you

don't know the show, the idea is that Jonathan helps his guest or sometimes

himself do the necessary reporting to track down the answer to some question or

lay down some burden or regret usually from years ago. Something that's been a

heavy weight. The episodes can be quite serious or not. There's a lot of Jonathan

calling strangers out of the blue to ask them a question about something that

you never expect to get a call from a journalist about. And you never know where

an episode is going to take you. But they all start the same way with Jonathan

making a random phone call to his childhood friend Jackie. Yeah. I was thinking of

you last night. You know why? Why? I couldn't sleep. Yeah. And rather than count

sheep, I counted the toilets in your house. And I fell asleep after six or seven.

But then I couldn't remember how many toilets. Do you is it again? I guess the

immediate image that comes to mind is is of I remember when I used to go to the

YMHA swimming pool, the the older Jews would kind of dip their toe into the

water before fully submersing themselves. And they would kind of pat themselves on

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