Welcome on to a very special dunked on doing an extra episode this week for the public pod because Jonathan Devoni of E.S.B.N.

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Mock Offseason 2024 that link and code are in the show notes. On to Jonathan.

Well, two days before the draft is the craziest time of year for this gentleman

and we are honored that he is taking the time to join us here late at night

on the East Coast, the man who created Draft Express and now the head Hancro Draft-Wise at

E.

Jonathan Gavoni. How are you?

I'm doing really well. I'm uh, I actually, I'm not just like crapping on this draft the way I think like a lot of people were for like,

years and years. I mean, I'm not like you know there's no

Wembunyama obviously but like I'm actually you know you always talk about how

this happens every year right like people talk themselves and I'm actually got some guys

I think you're gonna be good players as I've gone through it.

Yeah, I mean it's a draft of role players, but there's some high-level role players, some guys who I think are going to have

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