Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, polishing your ony, PRS custom shop guitar, or else a scrappy upstart, using compressed air to just clean your MacBook keyboard, this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the third Friday of June 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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