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Jonathan Conricus: Israel Will Have to ‘Rule Gaza’ for a Period After Hamas is Destroyed

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🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

“I think in interim period Israel will apply a military occupation of it and rule Gaza to make sure that Hamas is indeed defeated, that there is no pockets of resistance and terrorism and guerrilla, etc.,” Conricus, the former International spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces, told The Daily Signal at the Jewish News Syndicate International Policy Summit in Jerusalem. Once Hamas and its sympathizers are completely defeated in Gaza, “Israel will move out and then it will transition,” Conricus, who is also a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, said. “It has to transition to local self-governance by Palestinians, not by Hamas, and not by corrupt Palestinian authority officials, but by local, vetted, non-terror-aligned Palestinians that have local standing in Gaza and that show that their trajectory, what they value, is the present and the future and that they want to build a different Gaza.” This plan will require patience, according to the former IDF spokesman, adding, “I don't think that we have any other options.” Conricus estimates it will take about five years to see positive change in Gaza, providing a “good plan” is in place with proper funding. “To think that this is a quick fix that can be done quickly would be naïve and misleading. That is not the situation,” he said. “There is a very bad situation that has been going on for many years and as such it will take many years to undo.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conruchas, we are here in Jerusalem for the Jewish News Summit.

0:06.5

Thank you so much for taking the time to talk.

0:08.8

You spent 24 years serving in the IDF.

0:11.9

You also served as the spokesman for the IDF internationally.

0:16.6

And you've been raising an issue that is really, really critical as we talk about the ongoing

0:21.1

war between Hamas and Israel, and that is Egypt's role.

0:26.3

For Americans, for those across the world that maybe haven't heard about the significance

0:31.4

that Egypt is playing in this conflict, just break it down for a second if you would.

0:36.5

I think Egypt holds the key to the future of Gaza.

0:40.6

And I don't think that anything good can happen in Gaza,

0:45.2

not for the people who live there,

0:46.9

not for Israelis who live around,

0:49.4

without Egypt deciding to have a positive role.

0:57.0

Currently what the Egyptians are doing with their action to cruelly keep the Raffach gate closed and to prevent Palestinians from

1:04.0

fleeing the war zone in Gaza, what they are doing is that they are in fact killing, killing Palestinians, and they are enhancing the suffering.

1:14.0

And totally unnecessarily so.

1:16.4

If you think of it, and I'm pretty sure that a lot of people haven't thought about this,

1:20.5

but the conflict between Israel and Hamas is the only conflict that I'm aware of,

1:27.1

where civilians have been actively prevented

1:29.9

from fleeing the battlefield. All the other conflicts that we know, definitely recent history,

1:35.5

Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, wherever you choose. The first thing that civilians do,

1:41.5

especially women, children, the elderly, and people that

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