Hello and welcome to the board podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller, coming at you from my husband's

childhood bedroom because it's Thanksgiving week. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. And I'm here today

with a friend that I do not want to talk about college football with.

His name is Jonathan Chate.

He's a staff writer now at The Atlantic writing about American politics.

He was previously at New York Magazine.

How you doing, man?

I'm doing great, Tim.

Absolutely great.

Really?

Yeah.

Just based on your family or the country or or Michigan's recruiting.

You know, all the above. Well, not the country. Two of the three. Two out of three ain't bad, Tim.

Two out of three ain't bad. That is for sure. Well, thank you for coming with us on Thanksgiving Eve.

You wrote about something of great interest to me,

which is Pete Hegseth. I'm obsessed with Pete Hegseth and this choice. I found it very strange.

I don't find it strange, actually, that I found it very misguided that everybody spent their focus

on Mac Gates when Pete Hagg Seth was obviously the most absurd and ludicrous choice and dangerous choice, frankly.

And so I want to spend the second half of the podcast on Pete Hegseth.

We've got to do Democratic stuff first if that's okay.

Yep.

The Harris campaign leadership team, Steph Cutter, David Pluff, General O'Malley Dylan, Quentin Fulks, did an interview with Dan

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