I should let you know that as part of getting ready for Thanksgiving, it seems as though my neighbors

are cutting up some logs with a chainsaw.

Okay, hate when that happens.

So, yeah.

It is possible, you know, that you will hear that at some point,

but I assume that, you know, if there's background noise

that's particularly bad, just stop it.

Yeah, or it'll make it more atmospheric or something more

dramatic it'll heighten the detention. What state are you in? Right now I'm in

Maryland. Okay so the Maryland Chainsaw Massacre. Is that where you're from by the way?

Yeah, I am. I'm just outside of Washington. Oh nice. Well my mom, not to brag, not to make you feel uncomfortable like you're talking to Washington

royalty, but my mom did briefly date Mary and Barry. This was what time turned on. Mary. In the 60s, she met him at a core meeting.

But please don't treat me any differently.

You know, I'm just a normal person who happens to be the daughter of someone who briefly dated Marion Berry.

I'll try. I know. It's like coming to America. I basically live the life of the king in coming to America. Welcome to the Katie Helper Show. You can hear the Katie Helper Show on iTunes

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Twitter. Really excited to be talking to John Schwartz who is at the Intercept.

He has written for places like the New Yorker, the New York Times, the Atlantic, the Wall Street Journal,

Mother Jones, Slate, NPR, and Saturday Night Live.

And he, before joining First Look Media, he worked for Michael Moore's dog eat dog films and was a

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