Jon Ossoff: Trump Is a Lifelong Racist
The Bulwark Podcast
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🗓️ 30 April 2026
⏱️ 77 minutes
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Summary
The bombshell voting rights ruling from the Supreme Court may have been years in the making, but Ossoff sees a tie-in to Trump's sore-loserdom and his inability to accept that black voters in Georgia were responsible for his 2020 defeat. And the senator expects a full-court press to get Alito and Thomas to retire so Trump can nominate MAGA fanatics to the court—and impose his most durable legacy on the country. Ossoff also discussed potential limits on aid to Israel, the geopolitical malpractice of the Iran war, and the brazen corruption of the Trump family’s overseas business deals. Plus, Luke Thomas explains the links between MMA and Trump world, the UFC’s key role in rehabilitating Trump after Jan 6, and the sportswashing behind the upcoming fights at the White House. Extra bonus: Tim weighs in on the Maine Senate race.
Sen. Jon Ossoff and Morning Kombat host Luke Thomas join Tim Miller.
show notes:
- Ossoff's campaign website
- Ossoff in 2024, explaining his vote for a resolution that would've blocked arms sales to Israel
- Luke's "Morning Kombat"
- Tickets for our Bulwark Live shows in San Diego on 5/20 and in LA on 5/21: TheBulwark.com/Events
- Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to joindeleteme.com/BULWARK and use promo code BULWARK at checkout.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Right. Hey, everybody. I got a bunch of stuff for you today. The pot is going to be a double |
| 0:04.0 | header. In segment two, we're going to do a little MMA talk with the woke bill crystal |
| 0:10.6 | of MMA world. So I think that will be interesting, particularly with the big fight coming up |
| 0:17.0 | in the White House grounds and of the, and there's more corruption than I even realized between Trump and MMA world. |
| 0:24.2 | So do stick around for Luke Thomas up first. |
| 0:27.5 | We got John Osloff. |
| 0:28.6 | You might have heard about him. |
| 0:29.9 | He has been hot on the stump lately. |
| 0:31.6 | So I was excited to chat with him about his reelect in Georgia, |
| 0:36.6 | but also some bigger picture stuff. Reminder, we have |
| 0:40.7 | our live events in California, San Diego, downtown San Diego, May 20th, downtown L.A., May 21st. |
| 0:47.9 | I'm getting some fun stuff ready. So, come on, come hang, pull the trigger. Let's do it. |
| 0:54.1 | Before we get to both our guests, |
| 0:55.9 | I taped both of them yesterday, so Wednesday, and I'm taking this Thursday morning. We have |
| 1:01.8 | some news this morning that Janet Mills has dropped out of the main Senate race. I just, |
| 1:09.1 | the main Senate race |
| 1:11.2 | has been an absolute calamity |
| 1:13.0 | and I think that |
| 1:14.4 | hopefully it doesn't end as a calamity |
| 1:16.2 | hopefully it ends the Senator Plattner |
| 1:17.6 | but I do think it's important |
| 1:19.6 | for the Democratic establishment |
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