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Welcome to Quarry. Hey, Rose, Tammy here.

Hey, Rose, Tammy here.

Incredible,

incredible move today on the show.

Oh, I just realized I didn't use my microphone

the entire time.

I just recorded some my stupid air pods.

Jordan!

I fucked up! Oh no! Well look, if this doesn't sound as good as things usually sound,

I don't want you to stop your letter writing campaigns to Jordan, because it's not Jordan's fault. It's my fault. They

mailed me a microphone to my house. They taught me how to use it and I didn't use it today and to talk to

John Lovett, which is like like the

he's like a podcasting royalty. So anyway, one person on this call right now is

an idiot and it's me. Anyway, today on the show, John Love it from Potsav America, from Love

it or Leave it, super prolific and interesting dude. I love this chat and what is Smarty.

What a true Smarty pants.

Hey, I also want to shout out

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