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You're listening to Insights at the Edge. Today, my guest is John Cabot-Zinn. John is the founder and director

of the Stress Reduction Clinic at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center and Associate

Professor of Medicine in the Division of Preventative and Behavioral Medicine. He's the author

of Wherever You Go, There You Are. Full Catastrophe living, using your body and mind to face stress.

And a new book with an accompanying CD of guided practices called Mindfulness for Beginners from Sounds True.

Additionally, with Sounds True, John has released a four-CD guided practice program called

Guided Mindfulness Meditation, along with a two-session audio on mindfulness meditation

for pain relief, as well as a program with three other authors on the Mindful Way Through

Depression.

In this episode of Insights at the Edge, John and I spoke about his work as a pioneer

of mindfulness-based stress reduction and the introduction of meditation to a mainstream audience.

We also talked about the important distinction that people need to make

between awareness and the thinking mind,

and what John calls an orthogonal rotation that allows us to rest in awareness

instead of identifying with our thoughts.

We also talked about the role of science

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