Hey guys and welcome to this extra episode of the O. C. D stories

dot com podcast now this episode is out of the O. C.D stories. This episode is out of the regular Sunday episodes

and I wanted to do it as the second part in the COVID-19 coronavirus series that I originally did with Dr. John Grayson and this is the second part with John Hirschfield where I got John on to talk about moral scrupleocity. Now this is something John's seen in his practice recently

So we wanted to talk about it in case many of you listening have experienced similar and hopefully this

episode can help you at this time. Now just generally on the coronavirus I hope you

and your families are safe and are doing okay. My thoughts are with you at this time and I'm wishing

you guys all the best. Thank you as always for listening and I hope this episode with

John helps you. On the podcast today I have John Hirschfield.

John is a psychotherapist who specializes in the treatment of obsessive compulsive disorder.

He is the author of five OCD books, including his most recent book overcoming harm

a CD. Welcome to the show John. Hi Stuart thanks for having me back. Yeah good to have you

back and today we're obviously going to talk about coronavirus or COVID-19 and ICD, but specifically

around moral scruplocity.

So I guess before we get into the meat of it, is moral scrupulousity? So moral scrupulous is a theme that

shows up in obsessive compulsive disorder wherein the the trigger or the

contaminant is to your moral identity so it's basically concerns about

knowing for certain if you've done the right thing or are doing

the right thing or believe in the right thing. So the term scrupulous is usually

in reference to religious group velocity which are

obsessions about your faith whether you believe it or not or if you're

having sacrilegious thoughts or things like that and so if you were to map that on to

a more secular concept, the faith in whether or not you're a good person and the rules

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