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We Can Do Hard Things

Jon Batiste + Suleika Jaouad: WHAT IS ENOUGH?

We Can Do Hard Things

Treat Media and Glennon Doyle

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.841.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

How do we ever know what is enough – or feel like enough – in a world that pushes us to incessantly perform, perfect, collect, and earn?  The extraordinary duo Suleika Jaouad and Jon Batiste are here for one of the richest conversations we’ve had about art, love, ambition, spirituality, and what it takes to remain ourselves.  Together, we explore:  - The “beast” we all carry: fear, perfectionism, control, or ambition—and how facing it is the only way out;  - How we can all begin to alchemize our pain into creativity; and  - How to hold onto the integrity of art, beauty, and love in a world that’s always searching for “more.”  This conversation will help you take a deep breath and finally feel like it’s all enough – including you.  .  And check out our prior conversations we had with Suleika, the brilliant author of The Book of Alchemy: How to Stay Human; and How to Turn a Mistake into Magic.  About Jon Batiste:  Jon Batiste is a seven-time Grammy and Academy Award–winning artist whose music moves between jazz, soul, classical, and pop.  His ninth studio album, Big Money, was released on August 22nd, and is supported by a national headlining tour with more than 30 stops. Audiences also know Jon from his Oscar-winning score for his chart-topping album Beethoven Blues and the acclaimed documentary American Symphony, which celebrates his artistry, resilience, and love with his wife Suleika at the height of his creative powers.  About Suleika Jaouad: Suleika Jaouad is the author of the New York Times bestselling memoirs The Book of Alchemy and Between Two Kingdoms. She writes The Isolation Journals, the #1 Literature newsletter on Substack, and wrote the New York Times “Life, Interrupted” column. A three-time cancer survivor and visual artist, she appears with her husband Jon Batiste in the Oscar-nominated documentary American Symphony.

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0:00.0

Okay, Pod Squad, if you are feeling today like you could use just a big, warm security blanket

0:07.1

wrapped around you and just something that is going to make your heart feel full and your

0:11.9

mind expand and make you just relax for a minute on this earth.

0:18.5

Hands down, one of my favorite conversations we've ever had.

0:21.6

I love these two so freaking much.

0:24.5

Oh, my God.

0:25.6

I can't.

0:26.5

So one of the people today, Abby describes as her favorite people on the planet.

0:30.5

Last night at dinner, she said, I think he's just the best person, period.

0:34.6

In the world.

0:35.4

And that's how I feel about the other one, Suleka. So the people we have

0:39.6

today are Suleika Jawad and John Batiste. I will read their bios, even though everyone knows who they are.

0:46.2

But what you need to know first about this conversation is that they are an incredibly grounded,

0:52.4

but creative and loving couple who talk about life in the world in a way

0:56.8

that we just need to hear more of. And today they're talking to us about art and creativity

1:03.0

and love and how to love each other better and how to love the world better. It's a must

1:09.2

listen. Sulekajad is the author of the New York Times bestselling memoirs, the book of Alchemy

1:14.6

and Between Two Kingdoms. She writes the isolation journals, the number one literature newsletter

1:19.4

on Substack, and wrote the New York Times Life Interrupted column. A three-time cancer

1:24.5

survivor and visual artist, she appears with her husband, John Batiste,

1:28.2

in the Oscar-nominated documentary American Symphony.

1:31.7

Yes, we got to go watch that.

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