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🗓️ 4 December 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, Pod Squad, if you are feeling today like you could use just a big, warm security blanket |
| 0:07.1 | wrapped around you and just something that is going to make your heart feel full and your |
| 0:11.9 | mind expand and make you just relax for a minute on this earth. |
| 0:18.5 | Hands down, one of my favorite conversations we've ever had. |
| 0:21.6 | I love these two so freaking much. |
| 0:24.5 | Oh, my God. |
| 0:25.6 | I can't. |
| 0:26.5 | So one of the people today, Abby describes as her favorite people on the planet. |
| 0:30.5 | Last night at dinner, she said, I think he's just the best person, period. |
| 0:34.6 | In the world. |
| 0:35.4 | And that's how I feel about the other one, Suleka. So the people we have |
| 0:39.6 | today are Suleika Jawad and John Batiste. I will read their bios, even though everyone knows who they are. |
| 0:46.2 | But what you need to know first about this conversation is that they are an incredibly grounded, |
| 0:52.4 | but creative and loving couple who talk about life in the world in a way |
| 0:56.8 | that we just need to hear more of. And today they're talking to us about art and creativity |
| 1:03.0 | and love and how to love each other better and how to love the world better. It's a must |
| 1:09.2 | listen. Sulekajad is the author of the New York Times bestselling memoirs, the book of Alchemy |
| 1:14.6 | and Between Two Kingdoms. She writes the isolation journals, the number one literature newsletter |
| 1:19.4 | on Substack, and wrote the New York Times Life Interrupted column. A three-time cancer |
| 1:24.5 | survivor and visual artist, she appears with her husband, John Batiste, |
| 1:28.2 | in the Oscar-nominated documentary American Symphony. |
| 1:31.7 | Yes, we got to go watch that. |
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