Hey, deserve listeners. We're finally hearing from Amber Hurd's forensic psychologist, so let's find out what she says. I'm going to react to it. My name is Dr. Kirk Honda. I'm a therapist and a professor. Let's see what happens. I also did teaching and training for victim services, which is New York City's largest. Dr. Don Hughes is laying out her experience. She has extensive experience working with partner violence victims and perpetrators also with substance abuse and with PTSD and trauma. She is laying out

very impressive resume that is perfectly suited for this case. I'm also called upon to sort of troubleshoot difficult scenarios that clinicians either training. So not only is she a forensic psychologist that conducts these assessments for court and other legal purposes, but she also was a clinical psychologist and that she provides clinical services psychotherapy, this kind of thing. And she also supervises that was a recent presentation. I think that was invited by one of the she's talking about

giving training. She's talking about publishing chapters. I'm guessing to highlight not only her expertise, but also to contrast this with Dr. Curry, because either Dr. Curry didn't have this amount in her resume, or they just didn't ask. I was the APA Council of Representatives, which now I think she's a workaholic because I can't imagine doing all that that she is now rattling off.

The amount of things that she is involved in, I mean, she is president elect of the trauma division in APA, which is a sought after position. And you really have to know your stuff and be networking a lot and also be dedicated to the work be known for your work.

What coercive control does is that it imposes negative consequences for non compliance with your partner's expectations or demands. And what that does is it erodes away at the victim's autonomy and her independence.

Just more resume building, which is impressive to see. I mean, I'm wondering if there's anyone more qualified for this job than she is, but I was paying attention to a lot of a few questions.

One question was, essentially, has anyone ever hired you to find PTSD, but you didn't find it. That wasn't the exact question, but I think that was the implication. And Dr. Hughes said, yeah, frequently, meaning that I'm not a biased evaluator. I think is the implication there.

I also was listening if there was any kind of gender bias, because I will tell you that in my interactions with other colleagues, I can sometimes see bias regarding, we all have a bias about gender, I have a bias about gender.

We can't get away from that. We live in a gender biased society as clinicians and researchers, and we can't get out of that. We just live in it, we were raised in it, we are it, we have to constantly check in with it.

So I was waiting for some kind of indication, because she is the Amber Heard, Forensic Psychologist, and we've heard some, you know, pretty compelling evidence against Amber Heard. Of course, Amber Heard's team hasn't had a chance to present their findings.

And by the way, just to give you an idea of where I am in the timeline, I watched Dr. Curry only. I didn't watch anything else in the trial. Then I went back to day one of the trial and started watching that.

And I was, I think on day three or four, and then everyone started emailing me, say, you got to watch Dr. Hughes, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds like the best bit. So now I'm watching that. So I haven't watched most, I've seen a little bit of it, but I eventually will, and I'll post all of it.

So she did just say, and we're going to rewind this, that she referred to the victim as a woman, which I don't know what this is, you know, could have been a sip of the tongue. Maybe it was a conscious choice.

The coerce of control does is that it imposes negative consequences for non-compliance with your partner's expectations or demands. And what that does is it erodes away at the victim's autonomy and her independence at the victim's autonomy and her independence.

What does that mean? Nothing really. But if I had a trainee that said that, I'd be like, well, did you notice you just said that? I would absolutely call them out on that. Most of the time in a heterosexual relationship, the victim is the woman. Yeah, most of the time. And it might even be vast majority of the time.

But that doesn't mean all the time. And we have a problem in our society about denying all victims, but particularly men victims. So we want to be very careful when we're labeling victims and perpetrators based on men are always the perpetrators and women are always the victims.

So, but I don't know what that means. Just, you know, just an observation. And of course she knows that. She's a super expert on this topic. So I'm sure if she were sitting here, she'd be like, yeah, of course I know that.

Yeah, it's very much so. This is very well documented in the literature about violence and abuse and relationships. And that's just, that's just physics. That's just proportional force that if 185 pound man is going to push 120 pound woman, that's going to feel quite different than 120 pound woman pushing 185 pound man. And it's just about proportional force and the size and strength differential.

And that is why specifically if you look at wrestling or boxing, they match weight classes. Yeah, all this is true. If I were asked this question, I would answer it similarly. But at the end, I would have an asterisk that says, but that by no means means that people who are smaller cannot abuse people who are bigger.

Because there are many documented cases of that. In fact, research shows I believe. So don't quote me on this that if someone is being abused by someone that's physically smaller than them, they don't often even recognize that it's abuse because we have this notion in our society that you can't be abused. You know, you can't be experiencing domestic violence from someone who is physically smaller than you and weaker than you. But I'm telling you it happens. And if you can't imagine it.

I mean, I get it because it's almost never if ever depicted, but it can be physical. There's also threats you can make to someone like I'm going to kill your cats or I'm going to tell the world that you're an abusive person. You know, there's a wide variety of ways that you can abuse someone, even if they can physically defend themselves from you. So I would have that asterisk. But everything she's saying is absolutely true. It's very important when we understand domestic violence in my partner violence.

That size is a factor that when you have someone that's bigger significantly and they're both making threats and they're both pushing or shoving that the bigger person has to be more aware of their strength and the size differential.

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