Hey, deserve listeners. Let's watch the trial between Johnny Depp and Amber

Heard. My name is Dr. Kirkhan. I'm a therapist and a professor. Let's watch.

Is it? You, you, you, you will visit, you know? No, no, no, that's my job. That's what I do.

You don't do that. I do that. Okay. All right then. And then she said, let me get your glass

one. She brought me the glass of wine. Interesting. I mean, who knows? After divorce,

especially as contentious as this one, we will often rewrite history or cherry-pick

certain stories that vilify our past partner. But he's telling a story that when he first started

dating Amber Heard that she, he came home and she was on the phone and he took his boots off

and she got upset and said, you know, what, why did you take your boots off? And I, I thought he

was going to say that she was going to yell at him for having dirty boots in the house or

something. And, but what he said was she was upset because that's her job to take off his boots.

And then she said, you know, establish this thing. No, I'm, and so I wonder what he's saying.

Is he saying that she was adamant about being his servant or some? Is it? So it makes me wonder

about, you know, there's a BDSM thing that some people will engage in whether it's sexual or

otherwise. They just, they want to be a servant and that makes them feel good. Or they like to

engage in a servant play is actually do more specific phrase, you know, think of that movie

secretary. But if I were to not think in that realm of, of servant play, maybe who knows,

she, due to her attachment injuries and this is all hypothesized, she feels as though her only

purpose is to be of service to someone else. And, you know, I've talked a little bit about

disorganized attachment, but actually have a co-host on my audio podcast, Bob, who will talk

about his disorganized attachment. He's a therapist and, and he's a very, very good therapist here in

Seattle. But he grew up with an abusive parent and has what we've termed as disorganized attachment

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