Folks, welcome back. This is hour two. Don't be confused. It always comes after hour one.

I'm talking to John Zmirak, and we are, we're talking about a lot of things,

but we're talking about freedoms and history. And I was saying in hour one, John, I think it is

important for us as patriots in America to say that we know that sincere Christian faith is at the heart of why we as a

nation were able to have virtue and to have the ability to hold things in common, ideas in common that enabled us to be free.

But we also want to say that I think there are plenty of people out there, you know, good pagans, right, who believe in honor and duty.

They don't even know why, and sometimes you don't need to know why.

You know, when you die for your buddy on the battlefield,

you just have an innate sense. It's the right thing to do. And I think a lot of times Christians

denigrate that, and I think we ought not to. We ought to understand there are virtues that can be

that can be exhibited and believed in and lived out, even with people who don't have the head

knowledge of why that would be.

I would agree, but I think one thing that changed is, once you've been exposed to Christianity

and rejected it for secularism, not for Judaism or another real religion, but for secularism,

for the kind of woke culture we have now,

once you've been exposed and you don't have the innocence of the pagan.

You can't just say, I will fight for my tribe because then in the back of your head,

you will be hearing.

But what about the heteronormative, oppressive patriarchal structures?

No, no, no, no.

I agree with you.

In other words, the people who have gone woke,

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