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Folks, welcome to Hour 2. I continue my conversation with Megan Basham. We're talking about a lot of depressing stuff, but it's really kind of, it's almost funny, Megan, because you were just

talking about this concept of, I mean, again, I always have to refer to my own books

because I put my thoughts in these books. But in Letter to the American Church, I talk about the

idol of evangelism. This crazy idea, I mean, every idol, of course, is a false idol, but this crazy

idea that if we just go along with this and this and this and this,

we'll be able to evangelize more people.

So if we're really kind and using the pronouns people want us to use,

if we don't advocate politically against same-sex marriage,

if we do that stuff, you know, those people will say,

oh, aren't you nice? Maybe I'm interested in the Jesus that you're, you're preaching about,

ostensibly. Well, that is the reason I referenced my book letter to the American church is because

that is exactly what the German church did in the

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