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Folks, welcome to the show. Remember, I promised that John Smirik would be on the show. Promises made, promises kept.

John Smirak, welcome.

Hey, Eric, it's great to talk to you again.

Now, is it just me, or do you look like you've been in Europe?

Yeah, I was at a quasi-academic conference in the gorgeous city of Florence.

I got to go to Mass at the Duomo, the church where Savonarola condemned the Borgia popes and was outside of which he was

burned at the stake.

So we had exquisite food and really fascinating conversations with people like, people such

as James Tour, the nanotechnology inventor and authority on intelligent design, Stephen Meyer, the philosopher

of science, author of The Return of the God Hypothesis, the wonderful Michael Beahy, author of books

like Darwin's Black Box and The Edge of Evolution. It was a really wonderful gathering.

Well, I have to say you've just mentioned three Socrates and the city guests.

I had Michael Behe on, I guess it's about three years ago at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

We've had Dr. Stephen Meyer many times.

And very recently in Houston, I interviewed Dr. James Tour.

Obviously, he would be known to people through my book,

is atheism dead.

But I got to interview him for Socrates in the city.

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