Welcome to the Eric Metaxus show with your host, Eric Metaxus.

Hey, folks.

It's an all Yale day on the Eric Mataxis show.

Naomi Wolf, Class of 84, Eric Mataxis, Class 34, John Smirak, class of 87, I think.

Kind of funny that some of us escaped the intellectual ideological gulag that was Yale, if I can put it charmingly.

Naomi, what Fauci said or what he didn't say, it's a scary thing when you can sit in the Senate

and talk to a senator and the senator not only is a medical doctor who has the facts, but he's even

trying to get you to say, maybe I made a mistake, it's more complicated,

and just stonewall.

Where do you think this goes?

I mean, it's very ugly.

Right here on my phone, I have publications from Vanity Fair to the National Academy of Sciences

to the MIT Technology Review,

detailing millions of dollars of funding from the NIH to what is called by the conveners,

gain of function research.

You know, there was a 2015 seminar that NIH, NIH, NIAID officials attended that Dr. Ralph Barrett presented at

called Gain of Function Research, where they were basically saying,

and this was after the pause, where they were basically saying the optics of this

are bad, the language is bad, we're going to get in trouble, it's too hot over here,

let's call it something else, I mean, I'm summarizing. And, you know, after that, the funding went to Wuhan to do very similar research. So it's like, you know, it's not hidden. I mean, you can read it. I'll send you the link. But I guess my question is, what is the problem? Why wouldn't it make sense for Fauci to just say, yeah, here's what happened? Well, I mean, what's, what is, what are they fearing? Well, it's a huge problem. I mean, first of all, he's committed perjury if he lied to the Senate. Isn't that it? Isn't that the whole point is that he lied, so now he has to cover the lie. I mean, wouldn't it make it? It's like Watergate. If you just tell the truth, forget about the cover up. People maybe they'll

forgive you. He lied to the Senate. I mean, that's jail time and a fine. You know, that's a, that's a felony, as I,

as I recall. And rightly so, you know, we can't have people lying to the Senate. So I think he's

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