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Ladies and gentlemen, he has a jar of peanut butter, and he's not afraid to use it.

Here comes Eric Mattexas.

Folks, this is a very special edition of the Eric Metaxas show.

We are right now going to play from last Sunday, the extraordinary event that I had with John Zmirach in Seattle, Washington at the Apologia Forum at Westgate Chapel.

Really an amazing event.

Do not miss it.

Here it is.

What's happening? What's happening? I just said,

John, I think we're dreaming this. This is, this is, what a blessing. Thank you for having us.

Unbelievable. It's awesome. Awesome to have you back, Eric. And I'm going to tell everybody, because you're not, You're too nice to say it. The only reason I'm here

is because Pastor Alec wanted

John Smirak

and Smirik said,

no, no, no, no,

and I don't like to travel.

And I said, I think I can convince him

if I bring him there myself.

So that's the only reason I'm here.

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