Oh, hello. I didn't see you come in. Welcome to Socrates in the studio. We are in Seattle at the Rainier Club. Just last night, we had a Socrates in the city event with a wonderful crowd with John West as my guest.

And now we have a Socrates in the studio event here in Seattle with John West.

But no audience, at least no audience here.

There is an audience out there.

John West, welcome.

Thank you for having me again, a double header.

Yeah, we've done a few of these in Seattle now, and you're a lifelong Seattleite.

Is that a word, or is it pronounced satellite?

Yeah, it's pronounced Seattleite.

But technically, I grew up outside of the big city, so I wouldn't consider myself a Seattleite.

But you're from this neck of the woods. I am, yeah. Okay. I had never been to this neck of the wood. Before we get into the subject of our conversation, which is a documentary film called Human Zoos, which is at least fascinating. I just want to ask you about Seattle. So you did grow up in this neck of the woods.

I had never been here until, I guess, 26 years ago,

my wife and I came for a visit.

My sister-in-law and brother-in-law lived up in Bellingham,

and I was struck by the number of, like, coffee shops

with clever names.

They all had clever names, you know.

And I, can you think of a clever coffee shop name

or does it all just, you're so sick of it, you don't.

I'm sick of it.

And I actually hate to admit that I tend to drink tea, not coffee.

Yeah, but I'm from the salary.

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