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Decoding the Gurus

John Vervaeke & Jonathan Pageau: Decoding the Demons

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Social Sciences, Science, Leisure, Society & Culture

4.21.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 August 2022

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Ahead of the forthcoming sense-making full course decoding of Jordan Hall, Daniel Schmactenberger, and Jamie Wheal (see here!), we offer a bite-sized morsel of sense-making to whet your episode.

Here Matt and Chris engage in a 'short' session of gurunalysis, or guruology (if you prefer the original Latin). The subject of the gurunalysis is a conversation between the cognitive scientist & philosopher, John Vervaeke and the amateur theologian/icon carver, Jonathan Pageau. Specifically, we join these two as they apply sensemaking to delve deep into the spine-chilling world of demonology. Are demons real creatures, patterns of thought that resonant in collective cognition, or maybe both? And what about daemons, egregores, banshees, how do they fit in?

Join us for this special mini decoding and find out!

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0:00.0

The Oh, Hello and welcome to the coding gurus the podcast

0:28.0

we're an anthropologist and a psychologist listen to the greatest minds the world

0:31.0

has to offer and we try to understand what they're talking about.

0:34.1

As always I'm Matt Brown and with me is Chris Kavanaugh and I have to tell you everybody,

0:39.2

Chris and I are deep in the weeds.

0:41.4

We are working our way through some pretty impressive sense-making.

0:45.9

A three-way emergent conversation between Jordan Hall, Daniel Schmachtenberger and Jamie

0:50.8

Wheel. It's sense-making about sense sense making and when we get through with it

0:54.4

it's going to be sense making cubed so it's a bit of a mammoth undertaking so we thought in the meantime

0:59.2

while we're working through that while we're waste deep incense we might just have a little

1:03.9

morsel of content to keep ourselves going. Chris I believe has something for us.

1:09.6

G'd I Chris. Yes hello Matt We as Matt says we are cutting into the sense-making cake, the Magnus Opus of the sense-making genre with this three-way sense-making session and it's

1:30.4

it's something to behold I think people will enjoy it. It may even well be our first two-part

1:38.1

episode because it does seem to be a mom of undertaking from the clipping.

1:44.6

There's just so much there.

1:46.0

There's so much insight to get through so many metaphors

1:50.7

the track.

1:51.6

And it's a rich, it's a rich it's a rich fine. Yeah

1:56.2

tapestry you might say tapestry might you might say tapestry. It's a rich

2:00.0

tapestry. Yeah they're weaving and when you know when you think of weavers you think

2:05.2

about looms right and the mechanical parts of looms and anyway yeah anyway we could go on but let's, let's do with something a little bit more manageable today, hey Chris?

2:16.4

Yeah, so we've we're trying out this thing where we occasionally do little supposedly bite-sized pieces of decoding.

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