meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
What Next | Daily News and Analysis

John Roberts’ Long Game

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 July 2020

⏱️ 26 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

The most recent Supreme Court term saw huge progressive wins for DACA recipients, LGBTQ rights and abortion access. However, upon further inspection it’s clear that Chief Justice John Roberts is playing the long game when it comes to conservative issues on the court. 

Guest: Dahlia Lithwick, writes about the courts for Slate and hosts the Amicus podcast

Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now.


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

This weekend, I went back and I listened to the What Next Archives, specifically a show from October, the opening week of the Supreme Court.

0:13.2

A lot was different back then. No one was talking about a coronavirus for one. But also, Slate's Mark Joseph Stern, He was sounding alarmed, like really alarmed.

0:24.3

This is bad, folks.

0:25.9

This is going to be a really bad term.

0:29.3

This term is going to be a bloodbath for progressives.

0:33.3

It is going to usher in a conservative revolution in jurisprudence that knocks down decades' worth of liberal precedents.

0:41.5

It is going to fundamentally alter the scope and nature of our federal laws and state laws.

0:49.1

It's going to be a wipeout, and I'm terrified.

0:52.1

Fast forward nine months.

0:53.6

The Supreme Court term is all finished up.

0:55.8

And I don't know anyone who's calling what happened to bloodbath. So I called up Mark's colleague

1:00.4

Dolly Lithwick to figure out if we'd gotten things wrong here. Look, objectively, I think we can

1:06.5

agree, and this was, I think, probably animating some of Mark's worry. Nobody seemed to be aware

1:13.8

when the October 2019 term opened what a catastrophic list of cases were on the docket.

1:22.3

Dolly and Mark tag team the Supreme Court coverage here at Slate. I mean, I've been covering the court

1:26.6

for 20 years, and I had never seen a term that was teed up to be every single big ticket item.

1:38.1

We had guns. We had abortion. We had contraception. We had Title VII. We had DACA. There was nothing that wasn't on the docket.

1:48.1

This was after a pretty bland season, where the justices turned down a bunch of hot-button cases.

1:54.3

It really looked as though the apocalypse was nigh because there were no issues that the court wasn't going to tackle.

2:02.2

When the term ended last week, a lot of these cases seem to have progressive outcomes.

2:07.4

The justices protected gay and trans workers from being fired.

2:11.2

They decided not to weigh in on gun rights.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Slate Podcasts, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Slate Podcasts and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.