You're not going to Hi and welcome to the working songwriter the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a

distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration on

their process on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So whether you're a grizzled veteran trying to sell obscure XLR to RCA cables on eBay or a scrappy upstart.

Learning the hard way on your first tour to not take powerful, dubiously sourced edibles before a transatlantic flight. This is your show.

Because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing. What's up guys? It's the last Friday of August 2018. I'm glad that you're here. It's been a great month in my world. I took

most of it off to hit the beach with my family and then after that I did a few

shows out in California.

Thanks to everyone who came out to those.

It's been cool.

I've been noticing in the last six months or so

contingent of people who first found out about my stuff from the podcast rather than

the music itself.

So that's a new phenomenon for me and it's very heartening.

I love it. Thank you for coming out to support. We've got a

great interview for you today, but first we got a lot of stuff to cover so let me

get straight into it. I want to give you an update on the

Music Modernization Act going through Congress. If you'll remember our last

podcast on this

legislation that's going to an interview, it was actually an emergency episode delving into the finer points of this legislation that's going to mean so much for

songwriters and how they're compensated. And at the time when the episode was coming out,

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