Hi, I'm Susie Larson. Thanks for listening to this podcast from Susie Larson Live.

You don't have to matter. to ever since him but since we've got you love welcome to

cissy larsen live always honored to get to spend this time with you in fact i look forward to

bringing you conversations every single day that hopefully inspire you in your faith walk

that deepen your understanding of god's word and that heightens your awareness of his very real

presence in your life. Well, many things came to a screeching halt during COVID, but now the

things are opening up again, the pace is picking up. And the question is, well, we go back to the

rat race and miss the opportunity for the sacred pace that God really wants for us. Well, author

Pastor John Mark comer joins me today to talk about

his book, The Ruthless Elimination of Herbie. I had him on a couple years ago. It was such a

fantastic conversation. I thought, we've got to get him back. And it feels like the timing is

just right. Quick announcement before we hear from John Mark. Here at Faith Radio, we want so much to

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If they've made a difference in your life, we want to know about it.

Hop on our website, MyfaithRadio.com, and nominate one of those special mentors, fathers or friends.

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books just to honor those stories and those people who've really poured into your life. So,

check it out on our website, my faith radio.com. All right, let me tell you about my guest. I'll get him

on the show. John Mark Cumber lives, works and writes in the urban core of Portland, Oregon with his wife Tammy and their three children,

Jude, Moses, and Sunday. What great names. He's a pastor for teaching and vision at Bridgetown Church,

soon to be transitioning to lead a new nonprofit called Practicing the Way. Prior to planting

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