He said, you know, I don't debate. I wasn't quite sure what that meant. I don't debate

people like you or I don't do it. So stop. And I said, well, I don't either. I mean, I'd

never done the big public event like that. A very few smaller events of that type. So

I said, if there's any comfort to you Richard, my intention is to go before this audience. I'm

trying to communicate a credible alternative to your atheism. And he said, I buy that.

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