Welcome to ID the Future, a podcast about intelligent design and evolution.

Today on the ID the future podcast we have the third and final portion of a conversation between Discovery Institute Stephen Meyer and Oxford mathematician and philosopher

John Lennox. They're continuing a conversation about Lennox's new documentary, Against the Tide, finding God in an Age of Science,

which is in theaters one night only on November 19th.

Find out more about that at Against the Tide dot movie. Now let's finish listening to the discussion.

If you permit me I had just an I had a little encounter with Hoyle myself as first year graduate students.

Oh really? He came to lecture on his ideas about Panspermia and after we were done, or after he was done, I came alongside him and we were walking to one of the common rooms for a post-talk reception.

And I started to ask him about his view of the origin of life and the information bearing properties of DNA and I asked if he thought that that information in the DNA molecule might be

providing evidence of a designing mind and when I said that he looked both ways

and said he kind of went sh and then he said walk with me and then he just

began to jabber and he was very intrigued with that idea of course I was in the early stages of

formulating my thoughts about intelligent design and what information is like.

So it was really interesting. He was in a very interesting figure, but that kind of brings us in your whole discussion of the word, the primacy of the word, both in the universe and in life to the third big Cambridge discovery.

This one happened a little before your time, but it was still, the afterglow of that was still, I'm sure, very important in the 60s with the molecular biological revolution.

But in the third week, before you came up to university, Watson and Crick, of course elucidated the structure of the DNA molecule in 57

Crick puts forward the famed sequence hypothesis that that argues that the the DNA contains information in a digital form and you in the film

talk quite a lot about the importance of information to this this this deep worldview question of materialism or theism, which makes more sense.

And I wonder if you could talk more about that from the standpoint of the reality of information in a biological context.

Well, to step back from that, you see,

as a mathematician and some kind of a scientist what you mentioned about the rational

intelligibility of the universe is central you cannot do science without

believing that and And so science doesn't give you a rational

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