Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop. I'm

your host Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep

on their inspiration, on the process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran writing jingles for Petco's web store, or else a

scrappy upstart, scoring an independent film for which they say you'll get paid, quote,

after the festival circuit.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

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