Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on the inspiration, on the process, on the general ups and downs

of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran writing jingles for Petco's

web store or else a scrappy upstart, scoring an independent film for which they say you'll

get paid, quote, after the festival circuit. This is your show because ultimately it is

what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off, actually writing.

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