your listening to giraffe King's network.

Welcome to another South Beach sessions. He's the best selling author and national

affairs analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. He's also the host executive producer and creator

of Show Times, the circus inside the greatest political show on earth. I recommend that show to

you on Showtime. It's fun and they do it a little bit differently. Let's start there, John.

And thank you for joining us. I imagine Trump was very good for your show. And I imagine the show

has has really found its voice in the last four or five years, really accentuating the crazy.

Yeah, you know, Dan, thanks for having me on first time call, a long time fan.

You know, we started the show in 2016 to cover one election. That was, you know, we thought we

were going to be one and done. And it has, it's a very hard show to make because we make basically a

real time documentary every week. So we start everything we shoot. We shoot in the week that

about leading up to we shoot edit, produce, do the whole thing from starting basically out of

Sunday, on a Monday, usually and shoot through Saturday. And then we have the show up on the air

on Sunday. So no, I really ever done that before. And we don't really know what we're doing when we

decided to try to to cover the presidential campaign in 2016 that way. I think like a lot of

people, it was, you know, you could imagine, I think you're, you're anybody who hears that things

break as are out of your mind. You're like, really are building the airplane on takeoff.

And I think, you know, one and done was probably the right way to think about that.

To one year, we'd be finished. And then, you know, Hillary Clinton was going to be,

although most likely in the United States, the idea that there would be a circus to cover in

Washington DC after a Clinton election didn't seem like an obvious thing. And then Trump won. And

showtime and all of us thought, well, the circus goes on. And we've been doing it, you know,

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