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Hey everybody, it's me, Life on the Vergecast.

And this week's interview episode, it's John Gruber.

If you're a Vergecast listener, you don't know who John is.

I don't know what's going on.

John writes the very popular Apple blog, Daring Fireball.

He just reviewed the iPhone every year now for a couple years.

I've gone on John's show, the talk show, after iPhone review week to get into it.

This year we flipped it around, he's coming on the Vergecast.

We talked about the iPhone 11, the iPhone 11 Pro, Apple Watch Series 5, of course.

We also talked quite a bit about the state of iPhone reviews,

which to both of us is very strange right now.

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