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Hey, folks, welcome to the Eric Metaxus show.

I am particularly excited about the show today.

We have a guest.

You kind of can't make this stuff up. I've had Rudy Giuliani

here. I've heard Curtis Slewa here. But I've never had it. The reason I bring them up is because

we're talking about New York, organized crime, John Gotti, the Gotti family. I have with me here

Judge John Gleason, who has written a book called

The Gotti Wars, taking down America's most notorious mobster. And it was you, Judge John Gleason.

You were the determined young prosecutor who in two of America's most celebrated trials managed to convict John Gotti.

It is my honor to have you. Thank you.

You're so nice to say that. Thanks for having me on your show, Eric. I appreciate it.

Listen, as somebody, you know, I'm a sort of a sensitive soul. I never worked in law enforcement or in law.

And so when I would hear these stories of organized crime, it's chilling.

It's horrifying to me the brutality of that world.

Absolutely horrifying.

And, of course, I was thrilled when the mob in New York began to be dismantled and never more thrilled than when

John Gotti was gotton. I didn't know who was behind that, and now I'm sitting here with you.

So, hey, here's a question. What took you so long not to get him to write the book? Because

this is a little while ago. Yeah, great question. Look, those experiences are the kind of

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